From:                              April Almarines [[email-masked]]

Sent:                               Friday, August 13, 2021 6:27 PM

To:                                   R David Zorc

Subject:                          QUESTION FOR DR. LOBEL: MANOBO LANGUAGES

Dear Sir David,

This is a question for Dr. Lobel.

For the Manobo languages, I've studied your work
[015=DefinitivePhilWordlist(OL13-1974).pdf], Mang Richard Elkins' and Dr. Lobel's.

I do not have Harmon (1977) to study for the purposes of
what I am doing, so I do not know what is in there, or what am I missing.

Elkins' Manobo tree diagram is this (page 637, printed page)

I have cross-checked it with Dr.
Lobel's dissertation, and the joint publication (section 2.7.2).

Dr. Lobel's Manobo languages
map in his dissertation is this (page 27 on the printed page):

1. LOBEL DISSERTATION
vs. ELKINS

I really went through his dissertation and he did not go
through any discussion on the internal subgrouping of the Manobo languages he
stated therein (I think outside the scope of his study
for that dissertaton). He mentions other
Manobo forms never before mentioned elsewhere (languages? dialects?) but he did
not say where they belong to in the family tree. He said in his dissertation
his intentions are to build up on the works of earlier authors. If that is the
case, then if he were to modify Elkins' Manobo
family tree, where would he slot in the following languages which he mentioned
in his dissertation which are not in Elkins?

i. N. Agusan Manobo

ii. S. Agusan Manobo

iii. Blit Manobo

iv. Banwaon

v. Higaonon

vi. Monkayo Manobo

vii. Pulangiyen

viii. Surigao del sur Manobo

ix. Umajamnen

(I would've made one up and proposed them myself, but
unfortunately there was no other data in his dissertation that I can read and
help me do that. Hinanap ko po talaga.)

2. Also, are these all really LANGUAGES and not dialects? He
made a point of differentiating this in the
review of your paper, so I think he'd be happy to clarify this.

3. In the joint publication (Zorc-Lobel-Hall), it says
"Talaandig-Higaonon (a.k.a. Binukid)" but when I cross checked this
with his dissertation, it should be:

Talaandig (a.k.a. Binukid) - separately mentioned and
also different location on his map

Higaonon - separately mentioned and also different
location on his map

If he did not retract his statement in his dissertation,
then the statement in your joint publication
needs to be fixed to match his.

As the expert on those
languages, I really hope he can share the information needed.

Thanks,

April

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